Ladies and gentlemen, I present to youuuuuu (cue the 20th Century Fox Theme) a thread dedicated to silver chest sequencing! Now, I’ve only recently started being forum active, so many of you don’t know me on here, but those that have seen my sequencing of silver chests on Line the last few times ammo runes came around will recognise me.
I decided to post this in advance because unlike Orca’s old chest predictor, I don’t pull game files to sequence silvers - instead, I do it manually. This means that I need data of people opening their silvers sent to me so I can slowly piece it together, and I wanted to give enough time for people to see this post to hopefully help me out. Doing this manually means that my sequence will not be nearly as fancy as what the predictor provided in the past - not because I don’t want to make it fancy, but simply because it’s extremely difficult and I kinda can’t.
So, how will this work?
- If you’re planning to open silver chests during Kingdom Wars/Fight Pits, I would be grateful if you can either screen record or screenshot your drops and send them to me for reviewal - preferably on Line (Line ID: Laninge, screen name is Ingy). If for some reason you can’t send them to me on Line, I believe directly messaging me on forums should work fine too!
- Once the event does start and I have a part of the sequence that I’m ready to put out, I’ll post on this thread and edit this thread opening with the sequence post # for easy reference, since I’ll be constantly editing that sequence post as I update my sequence.
- I’ve compiled as many FAQs as I can remember seeing, and provided answers for them in the FAQs section below, so I do urge people to take a look! I hope that it’ll manage to answer people’s enquiries. I’ve also made a video explaining silver chests for those that would rather listen than read, so check that out too! Please check either of those before coming to me with questions, because you’ll most likely find your answers there.
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This beautiful chart was made by @MiinaNiina.
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Also made my @MiinaNiina!
Frequently Asked Questions:
How DO silver chests work exactly?
I’ll try to simplify this as much as possible, and for visual reference, I recommend looking at Orca’s old chest predictor. It may be out of date, but it’ll help this explanation make much more sense.
Silver chests have 8 different sequences:
- The ‘main’ silver sequence (historically 101 drops long)
- The bonus chest sequence (historically 20 drops long)
- Dragon Rune sequences «3»
- Monument Rune sequences «3»
In this thread I will ONLY be sequencing the Legendary Dragon Rune Sequence because quite frankly, that’s the only one that really matters, and the others would be far too much of a hassle to sequence considering that I’m doing this manually.
The reason the Legendary Dragon (LegD) Sequence is the only one that matters, is because it’s where the ammo runes are. Historically, you get 1 LegD rune every 101 silver chests (sometimes sooner if you get lucky enough to get one in a bonus chest), which will help gauge how far away you are from a mythic ammo. For example, say a sequence is as follows: (This is PURELY for demonstration purposes)
Leg Warrior Attack
Leg Lightning Attack
If you get a Leg Lightning Attack, this means you’re 202 chests away from a mythic ammo maximum.
You will notice though that there are some runes that repeat more than once in a sequence – for demonstration purposes once again, let’s say a sequence goes as follows:
Leg FF Attack
Leg Sorc Attack
Leg FF Attack
If you land on a Leg FF Attack on your first LegD drop, you’re either 404 chests away max. OR 101 chests away max.
Which one is it? I don’t know, and neither will you unless you open enough chests to get your next LegD drops. Unfortunately, there’s no workaround for this anymore, so it will be a gamble.
N.B: The LegD runes are NOT to be confused with the LegM runes. LegM runes are Mage, Striker and Ice Flak HP runes, anything else is LegD. Kindly refrain from merging the 2 drops into one ‘sequence of drops’ you obtained if you do post – it’ll cause others to be confused and to follow the LegM runes too, thinking that they have to do with the Mythic ammo, when they don’t. Read below for more info.
HELP!! I can’t find where I am on the sequence!
This could be for 2 reasons:
- You got a Mage, Striker or Ice Flak HP rune
- You’re on a part of the sequence that hasn’t been posted
If your issue belongs to the first category, open more chests. Mage, Striker and Ice Flak HP runes are part of the LegM sequence, NOT the LegD sequence, so keep opening chests until you get a LegD rune then try again.
If your issue belongs to the second category, feel free to shoot me a message! Often times, I have more parts of the sequence than I publicly release, so I may be able to tell you where you’re at. The reason why I don’t release everything is because I don’t like releasing clusters of the sequence that aren’t linked to the mythic ammo chunk that I do release – it would otherwise be too messy and confusing, but rest assured that as soon as I’m able to link stuff together, I update the sequence.
Do LegM runes impact my chances of getting a Mythic Ammo?
Nope, LegM and LegD sequences are completely independent of one another and don’t impact each other whatsoever. For reference, LegM runes are Mage, Striker and Ice Flak HP runes, anything else is a LegD rune.
Are you sure the sequence is accurate?
Well, for the most part, yes. I comb through plenty of data trying to find the sequence, and I try to hold back on releasing if possible until I’m confident enough that it holds some degree of accuracy to it. However, manual sequencing isn’t easy, things can sometimes slip by (albeit rarely), which is why I always like to warn that there’s a small chance that things aren’t 100% correct, especially at the earlier stages of sequencing. As time goes on, I get more and more data to reconfirm the validity of the sequence.
Since my drops follow your sequence, would sending you my data still be useful?
Ofcourse! All contributions are highly appreciated, even if they’re just to confirm what I already put out! I love knowing that the sequence is functioning correctly, it puts me at ease.
Why don’t you sequence silver chests when there isn’t an ammo rune available?
Honestly? It’s a bit of a waste opening silvers in events that don’t offer ammo runes, and many people know that, so even if I attempt to sequence all events, I won’t have enough people sending me ample data to do so – in simple terms: no data, no sequence. Kingdom Wars (and potentially Fight pits if PG keeps it up) are unique due to the ammo rune, all other drops can be found any other time, including during these 2 events, so it’s best to just open during them.
Why don’t you sequence other chests?
Once again, same reason. Manual sequencing depends on data and is a huge hassle that I’m not sure I’m ready to get into at this time. I do sequence gold chests, but I’m not sure I’ll delve into other chests.
Is there ever a chance you’ll branch off into sequencing other chests?
I don’t know about my future plans, but for now I’d say it’s unlikely.
Are these sequences permanent?
Nope! They change every event.
How many silver chests does it take for one full cycle of LegD runes (and guaranteeing Mythic Ammo)?
If you reach the end of the sequence, does it reset?
It should if there’s a full sequence presented, but bear in mind that I don’t always put out a 100% complete sequence, and we no longer know the true start and end of sequences because it’s no longer possible to pull sequences from game files. (Hence why I manually sequence silvers)
How does positioning work?
We can rely on ‘positions’ rather than opening chests to find out where we’re at in the sequence. For example, say a sequence is as follows:
1 Leg Warrior Attack
2 Leg Rage
3 Mythic Sorc Attack
4 Leg Warrior Attack
5 Mythic Hunter Attack
If you were to land on the Leg Rage (position 2), this means that your next rune would be position 3, regardless of the sequence. So, knowing the sequences, you can choose when to open your chests because we know the positons of each rune. Say mythic ammo then comes around and it’s position 1 on the sequence – you would have known that you missed out on it, and to save for next time. Similarly, if mythic ammo was position 3 instead, you’d know that your next LegD would be the mythic ammo.
There are however very rare occasions where this slightly changes, and that’s in the event that your next position is higher than the current available position. In other words, Event 1 has 24 runes, you were on position 23, then Event 2 comes along with a sequence of only 21 runes. Does your position reset to 1? Nope, not in this case atleast. When inconsistent sequence numbers arise, we use mods, this is done using Euclidean division.
In simpler terms – for the above example, you divide 23 by 21, and end up with a remainder of 2, which would be your new position.
To give another example, if your next position was 24 instead, you divide 24 by 21, and end up with a remainder of 3, which would be your new position.
Sequence is on post #1012.